(Bloedlyn) van Andries Pretoruis

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Andries Pretorius - questions of Slave roots Revisited

30 01 2009 I have been asked by some of the readers of this blog, to elaborate on my assertion that Andries Pretorius the Voortrekker leader after whom Pretoria is named, is a descendant of Indian slaves brought to the Cape in the late 1600s. My assertion is that the Pretorius roots from the line of Johannes Pretorius born 1680 are a mix of German, Belgium, Dutch, Bengali and Malibar roots. The Bengali and Malabar elements are from slaves brought to the Cape by the VOC. This is a good example of Cape Coloured roots and of around 12% of Afrikaner roots. Both are African Creole societies sharing many common ancestors. A large percentage of indigene African societies have similarly mixed roots and share ancestors with Coloured and Afrikaner South Africans.
Another reader, Suzette Els also asks I am busy compiling a family history and have traced back to Pretorius born 1852. My grandfather always said we are descendants of Andries Pretorius. Do you have any info on his descendants?

To this question I can only say that I can relate the line up to Andries W J Pretorius and his children with relative accuracy. Thereafter I believe that it really mushrooms out. One must also remember that being related to AWJ also would mean having to look at other branches the original ‘stamvader`s` lineage. This is a huge undertaking. But the Pretorius family is well documented in the SA Institute for Genealogy`s Vol 8 Pi Q. Most good libraries have all 12 Volumes. One should first start here. You may save yourself a lot of work. There are also a number of websites that cover the Pretorius family very well try http://rudolph-gen.com and http://www.kuypers.net/genealogy/pretorius.html . There are many others.
Andries Wilhelmus Jacobus Pretorius was the descendent of Johannes Pretorius (his great great grandfather) who arrived in 1664 in the Cape as an employee of the VOC. He then went on to Mauritius and later returned in 1669.
Johannes Pretorius, the son of Dominee Wessel Schout of the Netherlands, who having a bent towards latin, had changed his name to Wesselius Praetorius (later Pretorius) was the great great grandfather of Andries W J Pretorius. Wesselius was married to Josynthe Claesdochter van Egmond.
Great great grandfather of AWJ Pretorius, Johannes Pretorius, was married first to Gertuyda Meintjies from Belgium and had one son Wessel before she died in 1676, and then was married again in 1677 to Joanna Viktor who was born in Amsterdam in around 1651. They had a number of children: Elizabeth, Josina, Johannes, Jeanette and Lodewyk. It was Johannes who was Andries W J Pretorius paternal great grandfather.
Great grandfather Johannes Pretorius born 1680 Cape Town and died in 1732 was married in 1698 to great grandmother Helena Vosloo van de Caab. She died in 1731.
Helena Vosloo was the (mixed heritage) freed slave daughter of Johannes Vosloo and Helena van Malabar who was a slave. Helena van Malabar was AWJ Pretorius paternal great great grandmother. Her daughter Helena Vosloo van der Caab and Johannes had the following children - Gerrit, Johanna, Lodewicus, Jacobus, Arnoldus, Willem, Wynand, Johannes, Wessel, and Anna. Johannes was the grandfather of AWJ Pretorius.
Johannes born in 1711 was married to Johanna Bezuidenhout and had the following children: Gerrit, Magdalena, Gerbrecht, Anna, Jacobus, Willem, Johannes, Wynand and Martinus Wessel who was the father of AWJ Pretorius.
Martinus married Susanna Elizabeth Viljoen and had the following children Henning, Johannes, Hercules, Susanna and Andries (AWJ).
From a second marriage with Johanna de Beer Martinus Wessel Pretorius had 11 more children Marthinus, Zacharias, Johannes, Johanna, Johannes Lodewyk, Sara, Heyla, Magdalena, Elizabeth, Anna.
AWJ`s mother Susanna Elizabeth Viljoen had been married previously and had a daughter by Johannes Dewalt Hattingh.
Andries W J Pretorius mother was also a great great granddaughter of a slave - Catharina van Bengale who after being freed was married to Jan Willemz Vermeulen. All of their children were in fact born while Catharina was still a slave. From Catharina`s daughter Anna Vermeulen, Susanna Durand was born and Susanna Elizabeth Viljoen was the next generation.
This was a large and complex family by any standard. Andries Pretorius grew up on the farm Driekoppen near Graaff-Reinet and went on to become one of the major Voortrekker leaders.
Andries married Christina Petronella de Wit in 1818 and had 7 daughters and 3 sons, one of whom became the State President of the OFS and ZAR (Martinus Wessel Pretorius). After his first wife died, Andries Pretorius later re-married to a 19 year old poppie Petronella de Lange.Christina Petronella De Wit was the daughter of Christiaan Pieter De Wit and Johanna Christina De Kok. His second wife Petronella Aletta De Lange was the daughter of Barend Jacobus De Lange and Petronella Prinsloo.
He died in 1853 and was buried at Magaliesberg. On 13.5.1891 his remains were moved from Magaliesberg to the State Cemetery in Pretoria. He had 8 children from his first marriage and 2 from his second marriage Martinus, Johanna, Christiaan, Susanna, Christina, Margeretha, Anna, Andries, Andrieta Petronella and Andrietta Wilhelmina.

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Daar is nou bevestig deur satanis, dat hy van Andries Pretorius se bloedlyn afstam.

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Daar is ook bewestig deur satanis dat die "Bloedlyn" viking gene dra:

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Hierdie laat my dink aan die storie van die Padda en die Skerpioen, dis alles in die GENE.

Jy is wat jy is, afgod aanbidder en slave Bloed.

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Dit is dan ook vanself speekend dat Andries Pretorius n mede Baster, Jan Gerritz Bantjies as sy sekretaris sou aanstel het.

Jan Gerritz Bantjes - Slave descendants on the Great Trek

5 10 2008 Jan Gerritz Bantjes, born 1817, and secretary to Andries Pretorius, was the direct descendant of a locally born slave Hilletje Agnita Jacobs van der Caab, out of a relationship with Jan Gerrit Bantjes. Hilletje’s parents were the slaves Jan Jacobs and Anna Pieters. The first J G Bantjes had two other wives resulting in many other branches of the family.

Jan Bantjes and Andries Pretorius

Volgens die amptelike notule gehou deur Jan Bantjies, die sekretaris van Kommandant-generaal Andries Pretorius,

Andries Pretorius en sy 400 manskappe het vanaf die bo Tugela vertrek om Dingaan ... wat dan weer deur sy sekretaris JG Bantjies, skriftelik bevestig word.

Hierdie Bantjies met sy Baster Gene, was dan ook wat van sy Gene verwag kan word, n Dief, Berieer:

Jan Bantjies, wat n swendelaar was, hy het Boere vroue se geld gesteel, en pad gegee.

Vervolg.......

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Originally Posted by Piett

Dit is dan ook vanself speekend dat Andries Pretorius n mede Baster, Jan Gerritz Bantjies as sy sekretaris sou aanstel het.







Hierdie Bantjies met sy Baster Gene, was dan ook wat van sy Gene verwag kan word, n Dief, Berieer:

Bantjes se lewe ná Bloedrivier Na die oorwinning oor die Zoeloes word hy in Pietermaritzburg klerk van die Natalse volksraad. Spoedig begin hy as regsverteenwoordiger in hofgedinge optree. Toe sy naam ook as verweerder verskyn in 'n siviele geding wat deur die weduwee H. J. van Niekerk teen hom ingestel word in verband met 'n aansienlike som geld van haar geleen en goedere wat hy vir haar moes verhandel, word die saak op Bantjes se versoek verdaag en kry hy op 6.1.1840 van die volksraad verlof om aan sy belange oorkant die Drakensberge aandag te gaan wy. Met die saak teen hom nog steeds hangende, verdwyn hy dus uit Natal. Eers in 1865, toe die skuld waarvoor hy aangespreek is, reeds verjaar het, verskyn hy weer ten noorde van die Oranjerivier.

Bewyse dat Bantjies n swendelaar was.


Vervolg.......

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Dit is n gegewe geskiedkundige feit, dat Andries Pretorius baie goed geweet het waarnmee hy besig was.

VERRAAD!!!!!

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Dit is ook n gegewe feit dat Andries Pretorius die volgende verklaar het by n vergadering, net voor die oorname van Natalie aan die engelse:

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Die volgende word verklaar die die Tekker vroue:

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Dit is ook n gegewe feit dat Paul oom Kruger sy onderrig ontvang het van nog n baster en verraaier Jan Gerritz Bantjies.

Dinge begin nou soos n patroon in n legkaart pas.

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In 1842, he besieged the small British garrison at Durban, but retreated to Pietermaritzburg on the arrival of reinforcements under Colonel Josias Cloete. Afterwards, he exerted his influence with the Boers in favour of coming to a peaceful solution with the British.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andries_Pretorius

Andries Pretorius was gin n Boer nie.

Tot ou satanis kan jou dit vertel:

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En ou satanis behoort te weet, dit is altemits sy bloedlyn:

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Die heldebloed wat hom nie laat onderwerp nie:

Heldebloed laat hom/haar nie onderwerp nie.

Die Bloedlyn van Andries Pretorius:

Een van die meisies was ‘n direkte afstammeling van Andries Pretorius.

Hierdie selfde bloedlyn met sy oorsprong uit die kaapse slawe en die vikings, en die bloedlyn wat homself onderwerp het aan verraad teen die Boere in Natalia.

Lees ook hier:

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Originally Posted by Piett

Die heldebloed wat hom nie laat onderwerp nie:



Die Bloedlyn van Andries Pretorius:



Hierdie selfde bloedlyn met sy oorsprong uit die kaapse slawe en die vikings, en die bloedlyn wat homself onderwerp het aan verraad teen die Boere in Natalia.

Lees ook hier:

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Ou satanis hier is n " wakeup call " vir jou.

n Suiwer bloedlyn kan net bepaal word deur die manlike geslag, om te beweer dat die meisies, wat altemits Helde was:

Een van die meisies was ‘n direkte afstammeling van Andries Pretorius.

n Suiwer bloedlyn van Andries Pretorius was, is vergesog en n verdraaing van die feite.

Daar was altemits n ander bloedlyn bertrokke met die verwerking van die meisies, die bloedlyn van die Moeder.

Dit was dalk net daai deel van die bloedlyn, van die Moeder wat die meisies opgewek het na Helde dade.

Wat jou bloedlyn betref, dis n ander saak, jy dra die kiem van verraad in jou bloedlyn, die bloedlyn van Andries Pretorius.!!

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Originally Posted by Piett

Andries Pretorius - questions of Slave roots Revisited

30 01 2009 I have been asked by some of the readers of this blog, to elaborate on my assertion that Andries Pretorius the Voortrekker leader after whom Pretoria is named, is a descendant of Indian slaves brought to the Cape in the late 1600s. My assertion is that the Pretorius roots from the line of Johannes Pretorius born 1680 are a mix of German, Belgium, Dutch, Bengali and Malibar roots. The Bengali and Malabar elements are from slaves brought to the Cape by the VOC. This is a good example of Cape Coloured roots and of around 12% of Afrikaner roots. Both are African Creole societies sharing many common ancestors. A large percentage of indigene African societies have similarly mixed roots and share ancestors with Coloured and Afrikaner South Africans.
Another reader, Suzette Els also asks I am busy compiling a family history and have traced back to Pretorius born 1852. My grandfather always said we are descendants of Andries Pretorius. Do you have any info on his descendants?

To this question I can only say that I can relate the line up to Andries W J Pretorius and his children with relative accuracy. Thereafter I believe that it really mushrooms out. One must also remember that being related to AWJ also would mean having to look at other branches the original ‘stamvader`s` lineage. This is a huge undertaking. But the Pretorius family is well documented in the SA Institute for Genealogy`s Vol 8 Pi Q. Most good libraries have all 12 Volumes. One should first start here. You may save yourself a lot of work. There are also a number of websites that cover the Pretorius family very well try http://rudolph-gen.com and http://www.kuypers.net/genealogy/pretorius.html . There are many others.
Andries Wilhelmus Jacobus Pretorius was the descendent of Johannes Pretorius (his great great grandfather) who arrived in 1664 in the Cape as an employee of the VOC. He then went on to Mauritius and later returned in 1669.
Johannes Pretorius, the son of Dominee Wessel Schout of the Netherlands, who having a bent towards latin, had changed his name to Wesselius Praetorius (later Pretorius) was the great great grandfather of Andries W J Pretorius. Wesselius was married to Josynthe Claesdochter van Egmond.
Great great grandfather of AWJ Pretorius, Johannes Pretorius, was married first to Gertuyda Meintjies from Belgium and had one son Wessel before she died in 1676, and then was married again in 1677 to Joanna Viktor who was born in Amsterdam in around 1651. They had a number of children: Elizabeth, Josina, Johannes, Jeanette and Lodewyk. It was Johannes who was Andries W J Pretorius paternal great grandfather.
Great grandfather Johannes Pretorius born 1680 Cape Town and died in 1732 was married in 1698 to great grandmother Helena Vosloo van de Caab. She died in 1731.
Helena Vosloo was the (mixed heritage) freed slave daughter of Johannes Vosloo and Helena van Malabar who was a slave. Helena van Malabar was AWJ Pretorius paternal great great grandmother. Her daughter Helena Vosloo van der Caab and Johannes had the following children - Gerrit, Johanna, Lodewicus, Jacobus, Arnoldus, Willem, Wynand, Johannes, Wessel, and Anna. Johannes was the grandfather of AWJ Pretorius.
Johannes born in 1711 was married to Johanna Bezuidenhout and had the following children: Gerrit, Magdalena, Gerbrecht, Anna, Jacobus, Willem, Johannes, Wynand and Martinus Wessel who was the father of AWJ Pretorius.
Martinus married Susanna Elizabeth Viljoen and had the following children Henning, Johannes, Hercules, Susanna and Andries (AWJ).
From a second marriage with Johanna de Beer Martinus Wessel Pretorius had 11 more children Marthinus, Zacharias, Johannes, Johanna, Johannes Lodewyk, Sara, Heyla, Magdalena, Elizabeth, Anna.
AWJ`s mother Susanna Elizabeth Viljoen had been married previously and had a daughter by Johannes Dewalt Hattingh.
Andries W J Pretorius mother was also a great great granddaughter of a slave - Catharina van Bengale who after being freed was married to Jan Willemz Vermeulen. All of their children were in fact born while Catharina was still a slave. From Catharina`s daughter Anna Vermeulen, Susanna Durand was born and Susanna Elizabeth Viljoen was the next generation.
This was a large and complex family by any standard. Andries Pretorius grew up on the farm Driekoppen near Graaff-Reinet and went on to become one of the major Voortrekker leaders.
Andries married Christina Petronella de Wit in 1818 and had 7 daughters and 3 sons, one of whom became the State President of the OFS and ZAR (Martinus Wessel Pretorius). After his first wife died, Andries Pretorius later re-married to a 19 year old poppie Petronella de Lange.Christina Petronella De Wit was the daughter of Christiaan Pieter De Wit and Johanna Christina De Kok. His second wife Petronella Aletta De Lange was the daughter of Barend Jacobus De Lange and Petronella Prinsloo.
He died in 1853 and was buried at Magaliesberg. On 13.5.1891 his remains were moved from Magaliesberg to the State Cemetery in Pretoria. He had 8 children from his first marriage and 2 from his second marriage Martinus, Johanna, Christiaan, Susanna, Christina, Margeretha, Anna, Andries, Andrieta Petronella and Andrietta Wilhelmina.

Andries Pretorius’s half brother, Johannes Dewalt Hattingh was descended from the Indian slave Angela (Mooi Ansiela) van Bengale and Johannes Basson. This Johannes Hattingh was the husband of Anna Elisabeth Retief, the daughter of Piet Retief’s brother Francois Retief. Of course I have mentioned in a previous blog about the great financial debt that Piet Retief owed to a slave, which was never repaid.

Wat was die verbintenis tussen Andries Pretorius en Piet Retief, was daar n besigheids vernootskap.

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Daar moes wees want:

Die verdrag tussen Retief en Dingaan wat op 4 Desember 1838 onderteken is en ’n groot stuk grond aan die Boere oorgedra het, is deur Bantjes in sy eie handskrif opgetrek. Twee dae later, toe Retief en van sy manne vir Dingaan by umGungundlovu gaan groet het, is hulle in opdrag van die Zoeloe-koning met knuppels doodgeslaan.

Ons is op die vooraand van n baie groot geskiedkundige verborenheid.!!!